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      CommentAuthorJosh
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2008
     
    My shoulders are officially fucked, I need to get one of the above.. want it not to interfere with the handling of the bike when I'm not carting heavy stuff about. Also gonna get one of they hip pouches for tools , map etc, get as much weight off my back as possible.

    Any experiences or suggestions whats best?
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    reload makes the best pouches, not sure where to get them in this country. I reckon a rack is better, you can always fit a basket to it later.
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    What's wrong with your shoulders if you don't mind me asking?
    • CommentAuthorJP
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2008
     
    Go for rear paniers, they dont slow down the steering, and better with two than with one (or it feels unbalanced). And maybe get a 25 tyre on the back to compensate for the weight.
    My shoulder is fucked too, Ive been thinking about it myself
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      CommentAuthorwinston
    • CommentTimeJul 11th 2008
     
    how about one of those big plastic bixes they sput pizzas in in the cack of a moped...get loads of work in one of them.
    • CommentAuthorlurkette
    • CommentTimeJul 11th 2008
     
    evenly loaded rear panniers are probably the way to go, although imo, they do massively interfere with the handling of a bike. especially when loaded to the max and you are going down mountains. terrifying. :/

    i wanted to suggest something for if/when your shoulder gets a bit better and you feel you can maybe carry some smaller things on your back.

    i carry exceptionally heavy loads b/c i don't like to study in the library, so i carry many, many books around. (sleepy will confirm this, and in fact, the coat checkers at the british library refuse to carry my bag to the checking room and instead put it under the counter b/c they think it a dangerous weight.) whilst courier bags are GREAT for large loads, they are shite for weight distribution. since you now need to reprioritise into better weight distro over capacity, you might like to try a deuter bag. i have two - the trans alpine 30 for large and/or super heavy loads, and a much smaller race exp air for light loads. i love them both with a passion! seriously, they are the best bags i have ever owned. i HIGHLY recommend them if you need a bag that's kinder to your back. i used to have lower back problems, but nothing since i switched to these bags.

    http://www.deuterusa.com
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      CommentAuthorBuffalo Bill
    • CommentTimeJul 11th 2008 edited
     
    If you are serious, what you want is a front-mounted rack, attached to the main tubes of the frame like Erik's bike



    A rear rack will affect the handling - I used a rack for about a year, but found it a pain.
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      CommentAuthorJosh
    • CommentTimeJul 12th 2008 edited
     
    Z - Pain and clunking noises, one went some years ago so I swapped to the spare and that is going too now.

    Bill, I can't tell for sure from that photo but when you say attached to the tubes the attachment points are integral to the frame?

    Janky was talking about that full metal basket case setup like that where you can see your packages and easily chuck/grab your bag from the basket- does sound ideal, haven't lost a package yet don't want to start by getting one nicked from behind my back or while I'm in an office. But as I have a new frame to build and shouldn't be in the game for too much longer I don't see myself getting a new frame specially.

    Have used rack and panniers not for work in past and found handling OK except kerb hopping but would have to be box on top as panniers way too slow to load or attach for frequent stops. Pizza box too wide would be smashing mirrors galore. Might just try rack and milk crate to begin.
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    ortlieb rucksack innit josh
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      CommentAuthorJosh
    • CommentTimeJul 12th 2008
     
    Funny I just mentioned them to someone else, you might be right, wouldn't be a long term solution I think but in this case maybe it'll do.
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    anyone remember/know a chap who used to messenger with panniers in 2003-2004ish?
    he had a road bike with old 4 spoke spinergy carbon wheels, radio in a shoulder holster.


    I used an ortlieb at the begining of this year,

    I wasn't messengering with it, but used it to haul my sound recording equipment around to jobs>>>> a load far more bulky and heavier than I'd have tolerated working for someone else.

    If i was going back on the circuit tomorrow (alright on monday) I'd be using a two shoulder bag, simple as that.

    Do E-courier use house branded ortlieb?
    didn't know if i was seeing things recently
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      CommentAuthorBuffalo Bill
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2008 edited
     
    Josh,

    Re: fixing points yeah that is fixed to the frame via brazed on.

    Re: rear load - make sure the box or pannier or whatever isn't wider than your shoulders and you shouldn't have a problem.
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      CommentAuthorSideshow
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2008
     
    I guess it's sorta on topic... We're doing Brussels - Venice at the end of August. The other guys are trying to figure out panniers for their bikes (all of which are going to require special clips and the like to get on the frames properly). I'm not against the idea, and I'll probably take a look at my pannier options, but I was thinking pack really light, just a bit of clothes, tools distributed across the 4 of us and maybe just do it with my PAC bag. Is this a crazy/stupid idea?
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      CommentAuthorGertie
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2008
     
    On the 'does anyone remember' theme. Does anyone remember the bloke who used to work with a bread crate attached to his rear rack and his- not small- dog sitting in it? Guess that guy didn't need to lock his bike!
    • CommentAuthordazzler
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2008
     
    man, i want a dog in a basket on the front of my bike, i really do.
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      CommentAuthorwill
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2008
     
    I remember that guy; saw him going round old st roundabout with the dog leaning sideways like a side-car rider at the Isle Of Man tt
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    i worked with him fr a while , saw the dog fall out once ha ha
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    Fro,

    forget it. Use a saddlebag or one of the clamp-on racks but don't ride with a bag.
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    I am sorta the queen of doing things the wrong way.

    I did a two hundred klick ride on new years day with my pac bag. All it had in it was some sandwiches, drinks and some rain gear.

    It was one of the silliest things i've ever done. I was even sillier by doing the ride on my brakeless persuit bike, but that's what I had with me and I didn't even think of borrowing somthing else.

    At work your moving your bag around alot, your off your bike, your taking the bag off, your resting it on your saddle at lights. When your doing long distance cycling your in one position for hours and hours. Pac bags are good, but not that good. Let the bike take the weight.
    • CommentAuthorsleepy
    • CommentTimeJul 14th 2008
     
    +1 for the ortlieb messenger, i have PAC and ortlieb and for weight distribution and shoulder pressure the ortlieb wins by a country mile. while courier bags put almost all the pressure on your shoulders (remember those red marks you find after work when your shoulders are aching and you're thinking that top box job really wasn't worth it for the extra 50p?) whereas the rucksack arrangement on the ortlieb (and deuter for that matter) is far more comfortable and stable. the only issue with these types of bags is that you can't get into them without taking it off completely.
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      CommentAuthorzero cc
    • CommentTimeJul 14th 2008
     
    I'll say it again... cargo bikes!
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    Not going for it. I have a pac and a bag jack back pack, I prefer the pac for eveything, including weight distro.
    • CommentAuthorsleepy
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2008
     
    bagjacks, pac, chrome, reload, crumpler, timbuk2 etc all follow the same format with a few differences in production shape and material, pac is the best of the lot in my experience but certainly not my favourite bag type for 20kg+ loads (vinyl is fucking heavy). rucksack type bags are infinitely better at weight distribution, they just fall down on access.
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      CommentAuthoroverdrive
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2008
     
    Cargo bikes suck!!!!
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      CommentAuthorjack
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2008
     
    Grant Peterson - of Rivendell Cycles (retro Californians, lugged steel and shellac'd bar-tape) - is sold on baskets...

    http://www.rivbike.com/article/components/baskets

    Carradice saddle bags apparently experiencing a sales boom. What explains that?
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      CommentAuthorzero cc
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2008
     
    With a Carradice and a wallet I can stay on the road for weeks