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      CommentAuthorpaul_kelp
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2007
     
    I am new, to this whole riding my racing bike through the city as fast as possible. But after one month of just going maybe 40 ks in a day, my wheels already start to not be good anymore. i will need a new pair and i was wondering wether any of you professional guys would recommend a type or brand of wheels, that withstand the whole racing through the city thing, braking whilst sliding, occasional cobblestone pavement etc.

    thnx a bunch for any helping reply

    paul

    p.s: since i am still training and trying to find out wether i have the guts for this job (ye know the whole deliver or die madness), the weight of the wheels is not that important. also i do not yet ride a fixie.
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    Get hand-built wheels. A good build will last longer than a mass-produced wheel.

    The brand? Get whatever your builder reccomends. They know their stuff.

    Ross at Brixton is a good builder, Monty at Condor is the most experienced, but rarely builds, and my old fave Helmut Burns has quit.

    BTW, it's not deliver or die. It's just deliver. Dying shouldn't really come into it at all.
    • CommentAuthoramericano
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2007
     
    What Bill said... A month sounds about right, that's how long it took me to break both of my wheels. I'm getting mine built over at Velorution. They have the old school freewheels and hubs in stock if you're into that sorta thing.

    If you haven't already, get a cheap ass second hand bike before your wheels actually do break.
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    A month? To be honest, they should last a year. At least.
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      CommentAuthorwinston
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2007
     
    If you can find Harry Rowland, he really does build the best wheels....builds wheels for other manufacturers / shops for their pro / sponsored riders...but that's a secret....he built me up a pair of 36 hole dura ace small flange track hubs....make for courier work I said, the front stayed dead true until the brake blocks wore through the rim! the back wheel's still going strong 5 years later and 3 1/2 of those were on circuit.

    I've had shit condor wheels, maybe Monty didn't make 'em.
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    I have had two sets of Monty wheels, and they were both pretty good.

    Capp's wheels were the best I have ever had (even Monty said so), but Ross' were pretty good also.

    HR has a really good rep, doesn't he? Wasn't Don getting his from him?
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    Kiwi Paul at www.kiwicycles.com... 07950 196564 is wicked and great value...u gotta know Paul if you're rolling on the London streets.
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      CommentAuthorIron Eye
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2007
     
    I build good wheels too!!! I built a pair of BMX wheels for a mate 5 years ago, still true despite much crashing and hard landings and stuff
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      CommentAuthorpaul_kelp
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2007
     
    thnx a bunch
    so much info - great!!!
    i ll dig into that handbuild thing once i am not dead broke anymore.
    until then i ll probably just get a set of new ebay racin bike wheels for 50 quid.

    what s the difference when you get handbuild wheels, except for the performance? (i mean technically)
    how much practice is needed before i can tighten the spokes myself? i was told its nearly impossible to learn if you dont have endless practice time and wheels on your hand..., true?

    cheers

    paul
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      CommentAuthorpaul_kelp
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2007
     
    one more question:

    if you say that your wheels last several thousand ks does that mean without touching and readjusting (tightening the spokes)? good wheels just stay true?

    cheers

    paul
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    Truing a wheel isn't hard. you just need patience. But a well-built wheel shouldn't need that much attention. At most, maybe a re-tension after the first 1000k
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      CommentAuthorIron Eye
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2007 edited
     
    " i was told its nearly impossible to learn if you dont have endless practice time and wheels on your hand..., true?"

    whoever told you that is either a liar or a clueless fool

    I learnt from this G-sport BMX guide to wheelbuilding its a piece of piss once you've read it, keep referring back to it until you know the technique off by heart
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    Having said that, building a wheel from scratch?

    Some people can, some people can't. I did it once. The wheel collapsed (totally collapsed, banana shaped and floppy spokes) in an alleycat, and dumped me on the tarmac.
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    just rock up to your local bikeshop and ask for a shagged rear wheel, take it home and make love to it all night long! (opps sorry wrong forum!!) , get home get a cuppa, and a spoke key (flathead screwdriver helps too) and take it apart. log into sheldon brown website and he will tell you how to rebuild the wheel:

    http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html

    this will tell you pretty much everything you need to know. there is an art to wheelbuilding, but once you have the basics its a piece of piss
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    oh and aussie dean at "2wheels good" makes awesome wheels, most of my work wheels were made by him
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      CommentAuthorPapa44
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2007
     
    save some money and build your own, seriously. in the course of working you will go through shit loads of rims spokes and the occasional hub. its not too tricky, i used to use texas ambrosio rims but fuck knows if you can still get them, they were great. halo rims are tuff as nails, but they are a bit heavy...
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      CommentAuthor_targetbot
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2007
     
    Just get some Boras - you can't go wrong.
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    how about a set of lightweights?

    lightweights and fakengers go hand in hand?
    • CommentAuthordicki
    • CommentTimeJul 4th 2007
     
    try arup on the londonfgss.com website he builds quite a few sets and is very reasonable price wise
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      CommentAuthorredrum
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2007
     
    i use mavic elipse rear and rev x carbon front. but they only last a few months on the road. but look fu*kin lovely.
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      CommentAuthorIron Eye
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2007
     
    wheels only lasting a few months? do you guys ride down fackin' steps every day or what? learn a bit of smoothness for fuck's sake!!!!
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      CommentAuthorBuffalo Bill
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2007 edited
     
    Some people are heavier on equipment than others.

    Selim broke 4 frames last year...

    http://46-18.blogspot.com/2006/10/how-many-bikes-does-messenger-need.html
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      CommentAuthorredrum
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2007
     
    um...yeah, i wouldnt really recommend carbon wheels for work, hand built, 36 spoke, well built 3 cross should last you longer then a 4 spoke carbon that can never be trued. But it dont look as nice.

    (i know im a fu*kin poser)
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      CommentAuthor_targetbot
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2007
     
    32 hole Mavic open pro ceramics, spokes of wheelbuilders choice, Dura-Ace hubs + a good wheelbuilder.

    There was a guy in Cycle Surgery in West Hampstead who built good wheels - but he went off to build boats instead. There is also a brilliant mechanic in Whiskers in Goffs Oak who can build wheels to the standard Winston describes above - e.g. 18 months courier work on a wheel and then the hub goes cock while the rim is still going strong.
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    Fuck me, hasn't anyone fire-bombed Whiskers yet? I remember being refused service when they were still in Willesden cos I mentioned the words 'mountain' and 'bike' in the same sentence.
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      CommentAuthor_targetbot
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2007
     
    Too right.

    What I like is the way they open on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday only - and close for an hour on these days for lunch. And you have to send an SAE for a catalogue. That is proper retailing you can't knock, that is.
    • CommentAuthorlucky_7
    • CommentTimeJul 5th 2007
     
    ceramics.. now they are good. not that you need them if your being cool and left the brake at home n all that. still, adds about 4x more longivity & x2 braking depth

    had two lots of wheels from condor, one rear died in 100miles, but it was built as a rush job.

    one rear from brixtons was kind of egg shaped in its circle for some reason, which was weird when you know that the builting rig has a pan for checking movement this way too. who knows, maybe i pissed them off there or something...

    best set of wheels ever was hope xc on 217 ceramics, by alf jones up in north wales. perfect wheel built..

    i reckon the best bet is to not rush a builder for the wheels, so that way they won't cut corners..
    • CommentAuthorselimski
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2007
     
    'Selim broke 4 frames last year...'

    And I ride 24 spokes wheels.explain me that...
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      CommentAuthorBuffalo Bill
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2007 edited
     
    Errrr.

    Wheels too stiff?

    Errr.

    Too much skidding?

    Errrr.

    Too many dodgy jumble purchases?

    BTW, I read your 'nutters' post. Fuck me, the Knightsbridge incident was scary! Phew.

    http://46-18.blogspot.com/2007/07/nutters.html
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      CommentAuthorhippy
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2007
     
    32H or 36H (if you're heavy/rough) Ultegra hubs (not DA), stainless DT spokes of builders suggested gauge - based on wheel's purpose, mavic or velocity mid-depth rims.
    Not optimum for climbing, nor TT's but durability-wise.. sweet.
    90% of the strength lies with the builder's skill anyway.
    • CommentAuthordicki
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2007
     
    been running da's with ceramic open pro for 2 years now not a millimetre out of line
    sweet wheels