Generally, knees hurt = seat too low.

or seat too high............

Thanks to all of you. Today was better after playing with the saddle a bit.

Now I gotta pull out the tape measure and do math...

I'm the bringer of doom and gloom when it concerns knees.

I think I was just unlucky.

as I've found out in the past few years It may have a lot to do with many other things.

I continued to work, stretching at every chance, glucosamine pills, ice on knees when home.
reduced my already spin friendly 67" to a snail pace 63" then returned to gears.
The last day I worked I dropped off at a first floor office and I had to slide down the banisters because it was too panful to walk down the stairs.

Do you ride fixed?
Do you ride spds?
Your feet might "roll" on the pedals which will cause your knee to twist. This can be stopped by having arch supports fitted.

Don't diagnose from the internet.
That said The NHS will do nothing for you to begin with.
"TAke these anti inflamatories and stop cycling, and come back in 3 months if it hasn't got better"
cheers.
next is 2 months of mickey mouse physio, then assesmnet with a surgeon, X-rays and scans then a camera thing they insert in your knee, then they remove cartilage and tell you you'll have to have this done every few years until there is no more cartilage left then its knee cap replacement time.

I've refused the cartilage removal coz i don't want MRSA and it seems daft to take something away you're already destroying.
They estimate my knees will be due replacing by the time i hit 50!!!! I'm only 27 now.
as i say I was unlucky.
I'm also a bit bitter.

I agree with all of the above, especially with regards to cleat and saddle positioning.. Also it's worth bearing in mind glucosamine takes a while to kick in (a couple of months I think) so stick with it. I take glucosamine and cod liver capsules.

also try and pedal in circles, not just pushing the pedals down
nice even power through each rotation

too all you wining about your knee problems, as a student of chinese medicine/acupuncture any one complaining or showing signs of sore knees almost all of the time sets the alarm bell of for kidney problems. ie. too much boozing too little fluid intake, too much fluid intake all boils down to them two little bean shaped organs in the lower mid of your back...

so first word of advice screw the nhs go see a good acupuncturist/herbalist its going to take a few sessions ie like minimum of six. with a good acupuncturist who prctices herbs you could almost garuntee there will be improvement, im a short space of time.

so keep em knees warm drink less booze look after them kidneys there irriplacable.

and check out the rchm (regestra for chinese herbal medicine practitioners) to find your a reputable practitioner local to your area, it may save them knees from getting totaly ruiner by doctors too eager to operate, ie slice them knees to shreds for no reason .....

please please please try an alternative first before meds or surgery....

Also shiatsu for balancing the merdians. While your at it get some yoga therapy to go over your alignment and tracking in your body. Wisper me ill sort you out

woooha! knee problems??? zero8 here, old metro hack calling in. Tipper, is that you? Rude bwoy? Raaaated. You still in japan? shout out to all you sad fixed wheel fuckers...........oh and mr mallone..

I've had some knee problems before - it turned out it was because my pedals didn't have enough float. I got some speedplays and it sorted it out. If you think it's tendonitis, then it's best to get proper medical advice. If you fuck up your tendons it's big trouble - they can't repair themselves like muscles can.

one more option, get a full biomechanical analysis done in a lab

cost you around £300
and all they do is use fancy equipment to put you in the same position as the above method.

Stop riding a bicycle... Now there's a horrendous thought.

There are three types of insert in the Specialized range, each with a different angle. How did you know which inserts to order? Is there any way of measuring?

There aren't any shops like that around here :(

I'm sure there's a Specialized shop at Fort Dunlop though - I will check

Hey Bill ....erm not sure exactly which shoe as the label has worn blank on the tongue.

Shimano mountain bike shoes, current 5 years ago........actually can just make it out SH-M082
the older grey version of these:
http://xoomgear.com/mountainbike/shoes/all_shoes/0/Shimano_SH-M082/524/

They aren't designed to take the frog cleats as the sole closes up towards the front of the cleat platform, which meant they sit at a raised angle and apply no pressure to the little floating bit (anyone else have no idea what I'm talking about????) in the cleat.

I remedied this by packing the space out with sections of innertube and all seems good.

Oh and the other problem is the raised walking edges on the soles on my shoes are so worn now that the cleat is proud of the sole by a few mm.

Cleats wearing out very very quickly and with the added bonus of putting nice little marks on soft stone flooring.
Suppose i should get some new shoes now too.

Maybe not too big for you, but too big for most people.

i spent my formative years doing time trials. I was pretty good, but then I got into drinking smoking and girls and It all went wrong. I managed to keep the legs though

Johnsatisfaction you are tellin me you are ridin around on 81inches at 100rpm. Damn you must be almost as fast as me. Almost John.

100 rpm, 81" gear = 24.22mph average speed, in London = Bullshit.

Presume you live in the country with no junctions, lights, cars or peds?

Unless you are already over 30 or over 6ft you should expect knee problems in the future.....or end up looking like Tipper...and you don't want that! he worked on 81.

He's saying 100 rpm in manchester. When at traffic lights I jam the front brake on, do an endo and keep spinning, then when the light goes green i take off dragster style.

24 mph? is that all? thats shameful. Definitely need that bigger chainring....

john satisfaction is flying along marylebone road thinking, 'I'm a bit lost here, I was only meant to be going to salford.'
he gets onto the edgeware road flyover and continues to head west on the westway. 'I'm in clash territory,' he thinks, so starts shouting the words to complete control in the broadest manc accent he can muster. If he had a cateye it would read 70 mph. he thinks, 'if bill could see me now, he wouldn't have a clue who i am. he would probably still get a hard on though.' his legs are feeling loose as he is a doped up bike courier. When you smoke that much weed, you don't feel anything. the munchies drive him on to thinking of meatlof, but he realises he would much rather have a greggs sausage roll. He hears the gravelly, grinding sound coming from his knees and wonders why he keeps putting stones in his cargo pockets. Using the force, he is aware that a blue royal enfield thunderbird with a Z slashed across the fuel tank is coming up fast from behind. he notice's the 3m long iron jousting stick and thinks, 'I could make some legs for a table out of that.' As it pulls into the fast lane where john is riding his controller comes through 'Johnicantgetno, where are you?' there is no reply, as john realises that he works for himself and that manchesters finest is making him hallucinate again. he nicks the jousting pole and bribes the occupant of car into taking him back to civilisation where he presents him with a nice little coffee table with iron legs and a blue car bonnet top.

bravo

oi winst.............wot are you trying to say?.....hmmmmmmmm

............says the man that looks like he just hopped off of a grand national winner....actually, i think the first time i met you, i made a passing mention as to if you had possibly been a sheep shearer in your formative years, nothing funny about that though (pfffftt, har-har-har)

anyway it wasnt my thighs that were the problem, it was my 5 nads that gave me that unique gate

it'll pass, quite a normal thing to happen if you've gone from doing a little exercise to alot. stretching helps