New Boy On The Block
  • Hi

    I am going to start work for Courier Ststems as a novice to this game, can anyone tell me if they are any good
  • You can learn the ropes with them but I wouldn't spend too long there.Get to know the city while you're there then move on to another company that pay a bit better.
    Oh,welcome to the best/worst job in the world....
  • yeh good luck mate, as they said in Platoon - WELCOME TO THE SUCK!

    Good company to start off with, my mate Ricky did well there before he left London for sunny France and he literally started with no city knowledge and only got his road bike a week before earning a living off it.

    Good luck dude.
  • i heard a dirty rumour they were trying to shake their image of being a bit shit, that was before they stripped my mate of his contracts though. am i right in thinking they had/have a nasty reputation for witholding the last week of pay from leaving courier? standard practice would be to take a "holiday" so you get paid before they know you're leaving.
  • sleepy your bang on the money
  • I started work for them 4 months ago, still there. I like it, riders have told me they rip you off but they haven't me. See you outside Cibt.
  • Never worked for courier systems, but from the many stories floating around I know there are both better and worse out there. Then again I spent a year (an interesting year) at Churchills and I came out of it ok.. Maybe I'm just difficult to annoy. Anyway, the guys hanging around outside Parnell House don't look *too* unhappy at any rate... In terms of starter companies they sound fine. And get your experience up then start looking for other companies sooner rather than later.
  • I agree with sleepy. Many bad stories over the years about what amounts to basic theft of wages.

    If we stuck together more often and weren't so short sighted/optimistic/desperate/stupid we could get a better deal for ourselves.

    The classic scenario was always that the last person you spoke to would get up from their chair and not come back and someone else would say "we have no record of you working here".
  • Well, son, I don't know if I can tell you much, you being in London and me in Anchorage but I can tell you this in your first few years you may find yourself sore and in pain and by some bit of blind shithouse luck with money in your pocket and you just might be in some bar. When it stops hurting stop drinking, that next drink is a ticket to Waytoofuckedupville. And one more thing all courier service owners dick their couriers, I was self-employed and I still got the urge to kill my boss.
    Ride safe wear a condom,
    Kirk
  • I've been with them for 3 months or so now but without another firm to compare them to it's hard to say. I've had some rotten paychecks and some decent ones. Will be trying to make a move somewhere else before summer unless things get consistently good. What's your callsign goose?
  • only one place to earn good money now unless you are a hero! you know where it is...........:devil:
  • (Couldnt be arsed to sort this out then, and cant be arsed now either.)
  • Sleepy...
    let me clarify the procedure for the leaving courier.
    Firstly its got nothing to do with current wages, you get them as they come, regardless whether youre leaving or not, so witholding last weeks pay is not true.
    Then from the moment you bring the equipement back it takes one week for you to get the whole of the deposit back APART from 50 pounds we keep for 4 weeks in order to cover some costs courier might have made by ie calling from his XDA.
    When 4 weeks is gone - and no additional costs were found - rider can collect his 50 pounds.
  • all the same the stories of witheld wages are a common story and they are not peculiar to courier systems. if you don't want to find yourself running around trying to get wages owed to you i would only ever officially quit after receiving my last weeks wages.
  • If you are not such thieving bastards then why do we repeatedly hear horror stories about you? I think there are other companies out there that rip their riders off but your name keeps coming up. Do come up with something better than a "procedure" that you so clearly do not follow. I've worked for people that upon me leaving have warned me about you. That is ex employees of yours. They were not beeing vindictive. Just giving me a friendly word. Or how about a mate who had a shit company van that broke down on a wednesday and he ended up owing you money for the week? Everything that is said about you is true. You are the pits.
  • pornomike...
    Im not sure whats happened to that van driver youre referring to, im dealing with pushbikes only, so cant give any inside on that. I can assure you however that no such situations happen to pushbike riders, there ARE NO deposit problems, there ARE NO withheld wages when someone leaves, that's all NOT true.

    Many things have changed on our circuit over past 12 months. I do acknowledge a bad reputation CSys fleet have had for past few years (not paying well, some occasional wage problems or hiring people off the street), but thats not the case anymore. We have a really strong circuit at the moment with around 15-20 people REGULARLY getting 300+, experienced riders you can rely on and its a real pleasure to work with. We treat riders with respect and they repay us with hard work and I can personally vouch for that.

    We still face few difficulties like not the greatest radios or the bags, which arent most convenient, but we are working on it and, given time, it will get done too.

    As for riders giving the bad feedback: firstly the last time we lost a GOOD EXPERIENCED rider was probably around September last year (and that was partly our fault, a bit of a cock up from our side, which made him to leave, which is a shame, i admit, but we stay in touch and he might come back).
    Secondly we all know how it feels when you leave (or youre sacked). Feeling is not great and when asked whats happened i bet most of the riders will put the blame on the employer. We had a rider which was sacked in November (nearly lost us a big customer due to his reckless behaviour) and one of our riders told me few days ago that he keeps spreading word that he actually LEFT due to not getting enough work. Is he going to admit that he was sacked? Is his pride going to let him? Dont think so. So its a two way street really.

    Perception of CSystems on this forum is wrong. We are very different to where we have been couple of years back, so before you make any comments i would strongly suggest to speak to any of our current riders, rather than people that left/were sacked.
  • 'nuff said.
  • And please dont SHOUT.
  • Cs man fuck off do not shout at my friend
  • pornomike...
    I wasnt shouting, i was just trying to underline the importance od certain things

    curly...
    Sorry for shouting at your friend. Hope you ok
  • can you believe my suprise when i first asked for my pay sheet at my new company?! it was presented in duplicate from the draw of a filing cabinet! (the divider was labelled clearly with my callsign) one for me to keep, the other to be signed and filed away again. genius!

    i left in november because of pay errors. intentional or just human error i don't care, the attitude was - you earnt enough anyway stop complaining. if i do 1 job or 100 jobs i expect to be payed properly for each one.
    my opinions from working there, i hope they can be of use to someone:
    for a company handling such huge accounts and what is supposed to be one of the largest if not the largest fleets in london, wouldnt you expect a certain level of organisation and efficiency?
    my problem with the company is it's general level of professionalism. when i say company i mean the set-up and management of it's workers and 'procedures'. i have nothing against most of the people in the office they are pushed
    about and pressurised.
    some great people have worked in kensal rd - in recent years junior, bupesh, darryl, abdul, arthur all sat on the box reluctantly or with little experience and all have left. the same learning curve applies to the office employees, so i have respect for mr control up there who has stuck with it, you have made some efforts to improve things for riders as far as you are able to. i think you are genuine about building a professional circuit and i wish you all the best in doing so. whether it's sustainable or even attainable at that place i doubt.

    as a subcontractor you are not given the time or courtesy, this might be the case in other companies but there seems to be an inherent attitude passed down from owner -> management -> controller/assistant/telephonist = meet deadlines, please the customer, put up with the wingeing riders aslong as they do the job but afford them minimum effort and attention. the company is half-arsed and superficial in every aspect.

    controllers sit in front of huge flatscreens for tracking, getting their hair and nails done, eager riders under the desk giving sexual favours for a local pickup to take them back to w1. this all must look great to the clients! hi-tech equipment, disciplined work force etc.
    riders and drivers view? line up in a dingey unlit stairwell to look through the hatch at the control room, sidestepping people leaving and entering the office and occasionaly deliveries of boxes and the sandwich guy at lunch. toilet facility is a bucket in the corner at the bottom of the stairs (only left to catch drips from leaky ceiling).
    xda shit, rado shit, old batteries recycled or just sub-standard, bags just get your own, uniform? seen one guy wearing the old red jersey so take it 149 finally gave back his equipment. you are very lucky if you are ever given anything in it's original packaging!

    £2.75 (advertised as £3.30 which included bonus) basic rates are sly and reduce depending on the tariff, you will not be notified of any change unless you notice and complain. they tried reduced rate for following jobs for a while until people complained then they atleast added on a pound to longer distance drops. this may've changed since, i don't know.
    paysheets - sometimes jobs missing or no wt/coa/bonus or just inexplicable deductions after taking a week off.

    query 'system' is a scam!

    20% attendance bonus but what was not advertised was only to maximum of £50 so if you want to earn over 300 you need those extra jobs. it was possible to earn over that and alot more if it was busy and chaotic.
    If you are one of these eager riders who are willing to work longer without gagging, not everyone is. even if you don't know how to fix a puncture or where the strand is, if you are eager to learn and can survive on practically nothing at first you can do well. just don't let anyone talk you into late night returns to the island or office. if you don't want to do it they have motorbikes and vans, so you decide if it's worth the treck.
    if you don't check your invoice or keep track of individual dockets and only look at the total on your cheque or in your
    account you won't lose your mind.
    i don't know about riders losing teir last weeks pay but the £50 kept for a month after is correct. i wonder how many cheques have been left behind by people leaving the country or simply not collecting though?

    good luck to anyone thinking of starting out there and to those there now!
    but i will not be returning to w10 or e14 and this makes me very happy! :D
  • So there you thieving cunts.
  • let me clarify the procedure for the leaving courier.
    Firstly its got everything to do with current wages, you dont get them as they come, regardless whether youre leaving or not, so we witholding last weeks pay, this is true.
    Then from the moment you bring the equipement back we take more than one week to give the whole of the deposit back APART from 50 pounds we keep for further 4 weeks in order to cover some unknown costs courier might have made by ie calling porno lines from his XDA.
    When 4 weeks is gone - and no additional costs were found - we wait another four weeks just in case and so on.rider can collect his 50 pounds after giving us all a service in our excellent facilitys.
  • pornomike...
    Im not sure whats happened to that van driver youre referring to because its you talking bollox, but im dealing with pushbikes only, so cant give any inside on that. I can assure you however that no such situations happen to pushbike riders, there ARE NO deposit problems, there ARE NO withheld wages when someone leaves, that's all NOT true. Well, we like to flood the circuit with whoever walks through the door but is'nt that the same with all companies.

    Not many things have changed on our circuit over past 12 months. I do acknowledge a bad reputation CSys fleet has had for the entire time of operation but we dont give a fuck and there's nothing you can do about it. (apart from setting up a co-operative....oooh, thats agood idea or a union), but thats not the case anymore. We have a really strong circuit at the moment with around 15-20 people REGULARLY getting 200+, experienced riders you can rely on and its a real pleasure to make them work for their money. We treat riders how we like and they repay us with hard work and I can personally get off on that.

    We always have a few difficulties like the shittest radios or the bags, which arent most convenient, Smelly couriers blah blah blah.

    As for riders giving the bad feedback: firstly the last time we lost a GOOD EXPERIENCED rider was probably around September last year when immigration called and sent him back to Brazil (and that was partly our fault, a bit of a cock up from our side, which made him to leave, which is a shame, i admit I shouldnt have rung immigration especially as all he wanted was to take a morning off to visit his sick wife in hospital).
    Secondly we all know how it feels when you make someone leave (or get them sacked). Feeling is not great and when asked whats happened i bet most of the riders will put the blame on the employer. We had a rider which was sacked in November (nearly lost us a big customer due to his reckless behaviour) and one of our riders told me few days ago that he keeps spreading word that he actually LEFT due to not getting enough work. Is he going to admit that he was sacked? Is his pride going to let him? Dont think so. So its a two way street really. A two way street that pushbike riders choose to jump red lights and probably ride on the pavement.

    Perception of Toilet Cisterns on this forum is wrong. You guys have no clue. We are very different to where we have been couple of years back, so before you make any comments i would strongly suggest to speak to any of our current riders, rather than people that left/were sacked.
  • Seems pointless posting a defence of your company here,no?If they were half decent most of us would've tried 'em out,especially when you can earn 200+ there.Whoopee!Your"we treat riders how we like and they repay us with hard work"remark speaks volumes.You are obviously a person of great integrity.Or a toilet that doesn't flush....
  • Two-Wheeled Booby made his point very well.
    Besides all deplorable working conditions, there are couple more facts to add.
    There were quite a few examples of deposit refund scams, so you will never know. These CS crooks will give your personal telephone number to road traffic accident solicitors, without asking your permission and of course they will denied it! You will work your legs to the bone, riding from E14 to SW1 for 3.5£, and don't even expect to be treated like human being.Eventually you:
    A) give up and leave (be accused of witchcraft, frouding, losing money, customers and equipment)
    B) stay in and pretend it's alright (become apart of ''really strong circuit'').

    In my humble opinion CS are thieves.
  • Obvious piss take.
  • Roger!I got suckered...
  • Go back to the 18th of march. This is some joker editing an older post. I was about to get abusive myself and then I realised it sounded a bit familiar. Good call however as threads about dirty cunts like CSys and other CS' should never be quiet.
  • Right, there's some explainig to do. Ill refer to the two-wheeled booby post only, others are abusive and make little sense, so lets cut down to the case:
    Firstly just want to point out i respect two-wheeled booby, you have been an excellent rider, very helpful and hardworking during your spell at CSys. We had our differences, which made you to leave and, no matter how big blow that was, we have to accept. However Im not entirely sure you were right on all the pressing matters so let me clarify a bit. Lets see:

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    can you believe my suprise when i first asked for my pay sheet at my new company?! it was presented in duplicate from the draw of a filing cabinet! (the divider was labelled clearly with my callsign) one for me to keep, the other to be signed and filed away again. genius!
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    Taking into account the size of the fleet we currently have our paperwork is done in a tidy way IMO. Driver comes in on Friday, gets a cheque and a paysheet. Doesnt get easier than that i think. Of course ideall solutions would be having the paysheet emailed to the riders(or having an online courier account like CS have), but we are working on it and it might be introduced in the future. We have collected email addresses of our riders some time ago, so its in the
    progress...

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    i left in november because of pay errors. intentional or just human error i don't care, the attitude was - you earnt enough anyway stop complaining. if i do 1 job or 100 jobs i expect to be payed properly for each one.
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    As you remember we have talked about about million times already and i give you this one - we have made mistakes. There were pay rate mistakes and the query forms were done poorly. Remember that was back in November and (as you already know) I have discussed it with the management which resulted in the significant improvement of the matter. From then on you can do the query via email and you get a full explanation on the matter, so different to the ones we have seen before. But lets go on...

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    my opinions from working there, i hope they can be of use to someone:
    for a company handling such huge accounts and what is supposed to be one of the largest if not the largest fleets in london, wouldnt you expect a certain level of organisation and efficiency?
    my problem with the company is it's general level of professionalism. when i say company i mean the set-up and management of it's workers and 'procedures'. i have nothing against most of the people in the office they are pushed
    about and pressurised. some great people have worked in kensal rd - in recent years junior, bupesh, darryl, abdul, arthur all sat on the box reluctantly or with little experience and all have left. the same learning curve applies to the office employees, so i have respect for mr control up there who has stuck with it, you have made some efforts to improve things for riders as far as you are able to. i think you are genuine about building a professional circuit and i wish you all the best in doing so. whether it's sustainable or even attainable at that place i doubt.
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    Well again thats a bit of a gray area, as I do not agree people in the office dont maintain professional manner. Remember I work here, i spend 10 hours a day dealing with management, other controllers, account handlers and telephonists and Im sure they all know what they are doing. Regarding previous controllers (and you know that) they left for different reasons i wont be mentioning here, but im not sure whats that got to do with anything? Some of them werent feeling great on the box, true, but that was a process of searching for the full time controller, so there was some short-term-gap-filling, solution not ideal, but sometimes neccessary.

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    as a subcontractor you are not given the time or courtesy, this might be the case in other companies but there seems to be an inherent attitude passed down from owner -> management -> controller/assistant/telephonist = meet deadlines, please the customer, put up with the wingeing riders aslong as they do the job but afford them minimum effort and attention. the company is half-arsed and superficial in every aspect.
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    That is so wrong, Im not really sure whether so much has changed since November (doubt it) or whether you simply overreact. The "meet the deadlines, please the customer" routine is a way forward for every courier company and you can not argue with that. We do that the best we can and I think so far so good. What of the minimum effort and attention towards the riders i feel a bit dissapointed you think so. I have been/am doing my absolute best to help the riders the best i can to make their lives easier and get them earn the money. Because essentially that is - as a courier - what youre here for: come out, get a good run, do jobs, earn money, finish someplace that is convenient for you and go home happy. You dont need to come up to the office everyday to get a tap on the shoulder or be sweettalked to. So lets not exagerrate with that lack of attention for the riders...
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    controllers sit in front of huge flatscreens for tracking, getting their hair and nails done, eager riders under the desk giving sexual favours for a local pickup to take them back to w1. this all must look great to the clients! hi-tech equipment, disciplined work force etc. riders and drivers view? line up in a dingey unlit stairwell to look through the hatch at the control room, sidestepping people leaving and entering the office and occasionaly deliveries of boxes and the sandwich guy at lunch. toilet facility is a bucket in the corner at the bottom of the stairs (only left to catch drips from leaky ceiling).
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    The first part I dont want to comment, because its silly, so lets leave it. You know the toilet thing being a bucket is silly too, not sure why you write things like that. Couriers queuing up on the stairs? They are, yes, sadly we dont have a facility to accomodate them, I would love to have a living room with a skytv and a pool table for the riders, but we dont have enough space for it. Sorry for the sarcasm, but when i was a courier and had to came up to the office, i wanted to be dealt with quickly and get back to work to keep earning money. I wasnt interested in sitting comfortably in a sofa and drinking free coffee. I remember working for City Sprint and having a lounge upstairs actually made me lazy, as whenever i was sitting there and got a job i took me 10-15 min to finish off the coffee and get moving. Thats not what being courier is all about. Besides how often couriers how to come up to our office?

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    xda shit, rado shit, old batteries recycled or just sub-standard, bags just get your own, uniform? seen one guy wearing the old red jersey so take it 149 finally gave back his equipment. you are very lucky if you are ever given anything in it's original packaging!
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    Youre partly right, but were working on it. The old "brick" Panasonics XDAs are no more in use, we currently use smaller, more comfy devices, and are in the process or swapping them for brand new ones. First shipment had a place last week and at the moment 20% riders on pushbike circuit use them, with more to come. The radios are average, still analog ones and i hope they will be dealt with too (out of my hands unfortunately, but keep on pushing). Same story with bags.

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    £2.75 (advertised as £3.30 which included bonus) basic rates are sly and reduce depending on the tariff, you will not be notified of any change unless you notice and complain. they tried reduced rate for following jobs for a while until people complained then they atleast added on a pound to longer distance drops. this may've changed since, i don't know. paysheets - sometimes jobs missing or no wt/coa/bonus or just inexplicable deductions after taking a week off.
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    Rates are flexible. There is no fixed rate system here, which has good and bad sides. The £2.70 is an average, you get £2.00(very rare) and you get £4.50 or more. The good thing about it is, having many major accounts, you can pick 5 jobs up from one place and get paid the same rate for each one of them (exception being few drops going to the same address - then first one pays £2.75, following ones £2.00). I do agree the bonus scheme was advertised in the wrong way, but ive spoken with the management and its changed now. Also every rider that starts with us gets to speak to me first and i always make sure he knows those things. The only charge that occurs when you take holiday (and again you know that) is the weekly communication charge of £5 + VAT, but if you bring the equipement back for the time youre away, you will not be charged. Every rider is aware of that, if they are too lazy to stick to the procedure and get charged for it you can not blame us.

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    query 'system' is a scam!
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    Was done poorly, isnt anymore...
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    20% attendance bonus but what was not advertised was only to maximum of £50 so if you want to earn over 300 you need those extra jobs. it was possible to earn over that and alot more if it was busy and chaotic. If you are one of these eager riders who are willing to work longer without gagging, not everyone is. even if you don't know how to fix a puncture or where the strand is, if you are eager to learn and can survive on practically nothing at first you can do well.
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    That is a bit of an insult towards the current fleet. We have very quick, experienced riders, earning good money and - as far as i can tell- being happy in general. Im trying to get everyone to earn decent money and that is a "you scratch my back, i scratch yours" situation. There are no "primadonas", just hardworking people its a pleasure to work with. We get around 20 pushbikes a week earning over £300, so it can not all be that bad? As of the taking people off the street thing, Im quite sure its currently easier to get a job at City Sprint that at CSys + we have a waiting list, so its not that easy anymore. And even if we get some rookie, whose willing to learn so what? From a controllers point of view there is nothing better than a rider that starts from the scratch and becomes a toprider under my wings. CSys fleet has never been so strong, people-wise and workload-wise (current takeover of the E-Courier being one of the boosts).
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    just don't let anyone talk you into late night returns to the island or office. if you don't want to do it they have motorbikes and vans, so you decide if it's worth the treck. if you don't check your invoice or keep track of individual dockets and only look at the total on your cheque or in your account you won't lose your mind.
    i don't know about riders losing teir last weeks pay but the £50 kept for a month after is correct. i wonder how many
    cheques have been left behind by people leaving the country or simply not collecting though?
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    A lot. There are old old cheques sitting here patiently, waiting for riders to come and pick them up. Is that our fault too? :)

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    good luck to anyone thinking of starting out there and to those there now!
    but i will not be returning to w10 or e14 and this makes me very happy! :D
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    ... and will make me very sad, but i wish you all the best at your current company!
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  • @ stickybun! you deserved that! wrongness!!
  • And they are still "working" on the admitted problem three months after this thread started. As a matter of fact I bet a tenner they will still be "working" on said admitted problems three months from now. You game CourierSys_control?
  • OD they did break the internet like a helicopter landing upside on your bonce
  • Curly,at the rate my hair is disappearing you could soon land a 747 on my nut.
  • had a chat with my exCS mate t'other day, apparently they owe him about £400 which they are disputing. whether they do or not is anyone's guess but my opinion is that there is no smoke without fire, when so many ex-riders feel wronged certain questions have to be asked. i would keep this in mind:

    "standard practice would be to take a "holiday" so you get paid before they know you're leaving."

    or just go work for a proper company if there are any left.
  • "or just go work for a proper company if there are any left."
  • @pornomike
    I wont be taking any bets, but thats a work in progress, I can assure you. Especially after the ECourier takeover there are some ideas being discussed, but from talk to work is a long way, so we all need to patient in here. Unfortunatley...

    @sleepy
    I can not really give you any answer, because I simply have no clue what are you talking about. It has not happened on the pushbike circuit, thats for sure. Might have been vans or motorbikes, but I cant tell, I dont have a look into it.
    Besides its a tough one to discuss anyway, because as long as you dont give me any specific examples I wont be able to defend it/or admit it was our mistake - whichever.
    I did say before, when people leave the company/are sacked, they will never go to the pub and say to the mates that they were sacked for incompetence, mistakes or sloppyness. Its much convenient to blame the employer, that surely cant go wrong for the rider. Makes sense? Of course it does! You get sympathy, tap on the back and everything is great! But do the company have any way of defending itself? Not really, unless here, on the forum, way after the whole thing happened and the bad word spread around already. I am not saying we are ideal (we struggle with radio a bit, have really bad courier bags and are located for away, in w10), but at least im willing to point out the flaws, rather then go to the pub, and keep saing we're great and the riders that left are assholes. We can discuss our mistakes, but just bring some examples up, not just the good old piss taking
  • Is taking a bet a work in progress?? Well if so I shall never be taking that tenner off you at your rate of "progress". You keep banging on about your mistakes as if that was acceptable. Do you even realise how unprofessional that makes you look? Didn't think so. You even being on here makes you look a complete dildo. Muppet!
  • @pornomike

    Weaknesses and mistakes are present in every single company. I pointed out our weaknesses as the things we are currently trying to work on and improve, dont see anything wrong in that. I rather this then blindly banging on how great we are. We have absolutely good enough situation for a good rider to come in and earn really good money and be happy about the day he had. There are however things above that - when improved - will make his life even easier. Thats my point and thats what i call "work in progress". With all the respect changing ie radio system is a bit different and more complex to changing the tire or brakes in your bike, therefore it will take more time.
    Dont really know what to think about the other part of your sentence, if you want to elaborate - great, if not - fine.
  • And my initial point was that you have for the past three months been refering to mistakes and problems that you are currently working on. Well, work harder. It doesn't take that amount of time to sort out constant pay discrepancies, shit bags or even shit radios. You have been running for a long time now (too long in my opinion) so you should have had this well under control but, as you are a cowboy outfit and you always will be nothing will ever change. I mean your statement "We have absolutely good enough situation for a good rider to come in and earn really good money and be happy about the day he had" when in the next sentence you claim to be working on some solution to age old bullshit is just mind boggling. Next thing is the arrogance, "With all the respect changing ie radio system is a bit different and more complex to changing the tire or brakes in your bike," Cause that is all we know right? You are fucking pond life. You stay at your shoddy outfit as I am certain your services wont be needed elsewhere. And if you cant understand the rest of my sentence(sic) this should clear it up for you "I can not really give you any answer, because I simply have no clue what are you talking about. It has not happened on the pushbike circuit, thats for sure. Might have been vans or motorbikes, but I cant tell, I dont have a look into it." As you said, you have no clue.
  • Its pretty bad when the one good thing you can say about the company is that its riders are lucky to earn 200+ a week.Lucky? ok, so after rent...minus a ton, 50/60 for food, then phone, add radio fees, bike maintanence and tax. So what are you left with?

    yeah fuck all, might as well do the dole. But this is how it is now and the global recession technological advancement bullshits dont help.

    Those that are in for the long haul will earn better, experience counts, street knowledge, history with a company all help. Good earning jobs dont happen when you first start so you have to work for crap companies like toilet cisterns and the other ones and then hopefully you get sorted or you fuck off and do something else.

    work wankers are everywhere, doesnt matter the trade or the money earnt, people always take the piss with what they can get away with and thats why its 200 a week.
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  • Cheers ref. I'm going for a hat trick here as this idiot will come back for more. "others are abusive and make little sense," And the last one whas not? How thick are you? I can see why you are working for these criminals as nobody in their right mind would employ somebody as dumb as you. Just have a look at your previous post and you might work it out. Then again...
  • "I pointed out our weaknesses as the things we are currently trying to work on and improve, dont see anything wrong in that. I rather this then blindly banging on how great we are." That is just it right there, you are banging on about how great you are in the same thread where you admit to being not so good. In fact you admit to being shite. Have I worn out the word IDIOT yet?
  • "======================
    controllers sit in front of huge flatscreens for tracking, getting their hair and nails done, eager riders under the desk giving sexual favours for a local pickup to take them back to w1. this all must look great to the clients! hi-tech equipment, disciplined work force etc. riders and drivers view? line up in a dingey unlit stairwell to look through the hatch at the control room, sidestepping people leaving and entering the office and occasionaly deliveries of boxes and the sandwich guy at lunch. toilet facility is a bucket in the corner at the bottom of the stairs (only left to catch drips from leaky ceiling).
    ===========
    The first part I dont want to comment, because its silly, so lets leave it. You know the toilet thing being a bucket is silly too, not sure why you write things like that. Couriers queuing up on the stairs? They are, yes, sadly we dont have a facility to accomodate them, I would love to have a living room with a skytv and a pool table for the riders, but we dont have enough space for it. Sorry for the sarcasm, but when i was a courier and had to came up to the office, i wanted to be dealt with quickly and get back to work to keep earning money. I wasnt interested in sitting comfortably in a sofa and drinking free coffee. I remember working for City Sprint and having a lounge upstairs actually made me lazy, as whenever i was sitting there and got a job i took me 10-15 min to finish off the coffee and get moving. Thats not what being courier is all about. Besides how often couriers how to come up to our office?

    ======================
    xda shit, rado shit, old batteries recycled or just sub-standard, bags just get your own, uniform? seen one guy wearing the old red jersey so take it 149 finally gave back his equipment. you are very lucky if you are ever given anything in it's original packaging!
    ===========
    Youre partly right, but were working on it. The old "brick" Panasonics XDAs are no more in use, we currently use smaller, more comfy devices, and are in the process or swapping them for brand new ones. First shipment had a place last week and at the moment 20% riders on pushbike circuit use them, with more to come. The radios are average, still analog ones and i hope they will be dealt with too (out of my hands unfortunately, but keep on pushing). Same story with bags.

    ======================
    £2.75 (advertised as £3.30 which included bonus) basic rates are sly and reduce depending on the tariff, you will not be notified of any change unless you notice and complain. they tried reduced rate for following jobs for a while until people complained then they atleast added on a pound to longer distance drops. this may've changed since, i don't know. paysheets - sometimes jobs missing or no wt/coa/bonus or just inexplicable deductions after taking a week off.
    ===========
    Rates are flexible. There is no fixed rate system here, which has good and bad sides. The £2.70 is an average, you get £2.00(very rare) and you get £4.50 or more. The good thing about it is, having many major accounts, you can pick 5 jobs up from one place and get paid the same rate for each one of them (exception being few drops going to the same address - then first one pays £2.75, following ones £2.00). I do agree the bonus scheme was advertised in the wrong way, but ive spoken with the management and its changed now. Also every rider that starts with us gets to speak to me first and i always make sure he knows those things. The only charge that occurs when you take holiday (and again you know that) is the weekly communication charge of £5 + VAT, but if you bring the equipement back for the time youre away, you will not be charged. Every rider is aware of that, if they are too lazy to stick to the procedure and get charged for it you can not blame us.

    ======================
    query 'system' is a scam!
    ===========
    Was done poorly, isnt anymore..."

    At just about every paragraph there is an admission of being crap
  • @pornomike

    Sorry to disappoint, but I wont be getting engaged into this abusive battle, makes no sense to me, also thats not the point why Im here for.

    I could, yet again, come up with counterpoints, but I see no point in that, since your strategy is to quote some of my words and simply comment it with some abusivesness. Makes no sense to me, its childish.

    Ill just say couple of things:
    - Ive never said (quote if you can) we're great - thats one
    - Ive been pointing out things were working on, and you call it admission to being crap?! - my hands are tied
    - you say Im ignorant and have no respect for riders (been one myself for 4 years), yet thats you whose constantly swearing and being abusive - I havent swore once
    - youve said we havent done much in the past 3 months since my last post - we bought ECourier, we're replacing XDAs with brand new ones (35% of the circuit now), one major account taken away from on of our rivals - not bad for 3 months, is it?

    And for last Ill just quote one thing, this is an example of either not understanding the written word or just being mean, pick one:

    "I pointed out our weaknesses as the things we are currently trying to work on and improve, dont see anything wrong in that. I rather this then blindly banging on how great we are." That is just it right there, you are banging on about how great you are in the same thread where you admit to being not so good

    I write that I prefer to admit to things being worked on and improved rather then banging on being great and you accuse me of calling myslef great? Where is the sense in that?

    I wont be commenting any abusive posts from now on, unless you come up with some accurate examples regarding CSys.

    Over and out
  • @Toilet Cisterns


    You should come and get a job working for us down in the Scrutton Street offices. We can teach you a thing or two when it comes to ripping off the riders.

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