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      CommentAuthorSideshow
    • CommentTimeMar 20th 2011
     
    Like (hopefully) most people, I think that causing huge amounts of unfair/unnecessary grief to rightful homeowner(s) through squatting is pretty contemptible behaviour, but squatting in it's general sense should be a human right and this law could cause real problems. As usual, I detest the way the biased media focuses almost solely on the former (far less frequent) situation and neglects the latter whilst skipping the bigger picture all-together. Anyway:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8388795/Squatting-to-be-made-illegal-vows-Clarke.html

    They've done it in Scotland and Holland, as far as I know, and probably beyond.

    (Far less importantly, it's a pretty bad prospect for squat parties, too...)
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    Only rich people's kids squat. I went to a punk gig once at a squatted place, and a girl in a plummy voice moaned at me for stepping on her foot. Looking past her expensive Crass patches and Subhumans T shirt from Topshop, I saw that she had a chain linking her earring to her nose, I thought if I yank that out, her Dad could buy her a new nose. Thus my entire opinion on squat punks was formed.

    I prefer the MTV punks, at least I can understand the fuckin lyrics. Theres something wonderful about a video in a backyard with the big American band by the pool in the glorious 30 degree sun, half naked chicks jumping around drunk, and people falling off BMX's into barbecues that you just dont find in Hackney squat punk gigs these days.

    Obviously Seamus is alright though innit. . .he actually 'plays' in a band so I've heard.

    A very good evening to you all.
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    'Only rich people's kids squat'?
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      CommentAuthorSideshow
    • CommentTimeMar 22nd 2011
     
    Yeah I can't even be bothered to deal with that post.
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      CommentAuthorCarter3.5
    • CommentTimeMar 22nd 2011 edited
     
    slaves
    • CommentAuthorsleepy
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2011
     
    it would be extremely bad news if this were to happen but i think it's further off than clarke and his ilk would like. we're currently in the middle of a housing crisis, there are simply not enough homes, evicting the many thousands of squatters without building piles of cheap accommodation would cause more problems than it solves...

    the "upstanding homeowner goes on holiday and comes home to find he's been squatted" story is a myth, squatting someone's sole residence is already a criminal offence.

    i really can't see it happening any time soon.
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    Yeh, sorry Sideshow and Bill, I went a bit much there but hey ho. Shows you what I write after a few beers I shoulda learned my lesson by now. I still stand by the rich kids thing in a way. The majority, not all, of squats I've been to are occupied by these sort of people (have a go anarchists, 'punks', etc) - its kinda something fun for them to do until they get bored with it, but concede that a lot of other people sadly now are forced to consider it as a reality, due to high rents, low income and the impossibility of getting yourown house if you earn less than £50,000 a year (or something).

    There are of course a lot of great squats in town in which live a lot of my friends and enemies, and I've also been to many squat parties over the years. And the Foundry was wicked while it lasted. Sad news indeed if this law goes ahead.

    Of course, pisstaking aside, squatting can be a total laugh or a total nightmare. I dont know, I've never squatted out of fear of being homeless when I get back, losing my stuff (bikes / records etc), and preferring to rent for security reasons really. I truly do not know the full extent of what its ike to squat.

    Ta!
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    As far as I'm aware, the notion of making squatting a criminal offence had its first parliamentary airing on march 14th, Sleepy. It may well become a reality faster than you think.
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    When I was squatting in the 80s in Islington & Hackney, the majority of the people that I knew who were squatting were young. However, my recollection is that although some were from better-off backgrounds, I can't really think of that many that were from 'rich' families - by which I mean were privately educated.

    I don't know if the demographic of squatters has changed that much. For instance, the guys that I know who currently squatting are nearly all couriers, and are definitely not from rich families. Obviously I can't say for sure, as I really don't know that many squatters any more.

    It's worth saying that there was then (and probably still is now) considerable social stigma associated with squatting. Squatters were (and are, judging from the recent Daily Mail article) portrayed as criminals who moved into people's houses whilst they were on holiday, ripped up the floor-boards to use as firewood and defecated on the floor. My own family (which is not rich) ranged in attitudes from barely tolerant to uncomprehending disapproval, particularly my grandmother, who was very disappointed in my choice of housing.

    There are always going to be dilettante squatters, or squatters whose motive for squatting is political, but for most, it is a choice borne out of lack of viable economic alternative.
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      CommentAuthorglib
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2011 edited
     
    I did a bit of squatting in the mid nineties mainly around the time of the M11 protest down in Leytonstone. These protests were new to me and the type of people called scratchers seemed so different to the usual leytonstone lost souls. Anyways, I hung out with this group beliving tey were all had chosen to live this nomadic life and was a bit shocked(mainly by my own naivity) that most of these people were from quite wealthy families. I was friend with them for years and remain close to this day.
    India Walters... Roger walters daughter, we had dinner at her house one night in Richmond/Petersham, down the hill from Mick Jaggers gaff. They were all ofthis ilk, not londoners, but grew up mainly in the home counties.

    the "upstanding homeowner goes on holiday and comes home to find he's been squatted" story is a myth, squatting someone's sole residence is already a criminal offence.
    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23838386-our-weekend-living-with-squatters---family-return-to-find-house-taken-over.do

    one example

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242682/Family-shut-dream-home-gang-gipsies-moved-Christmas.html

    two examples of working British families blighted by those who feel it is right to steal your home,
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      CommentAuthoroverdrive
    • CommentTimeMar 24th 2011
     
    Years ago,whilst tanking it down Haverstock Hill,a ped walked out on me.I had no time to swerve round the idiot and so slammed on the anchors.Somehow the ped managed to step out of the way as I was rear-ended by my own saddle by which I mean it rammed up and into my coccyx bone,the little tail-like bone at the bottom of the spine.
    I could not squat for over two years afterwards.
    True story.
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      CommentAuthorglib
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2011
     
    @od
    yeah and just a bit lower and you would had a sore mouth.
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      CommentAuthoroverdrive
    • CommentTimeMar 25th 2011
     
    ...And you would've kissed it better.
    • CommentAuthorsleepy
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2011
     
    "two examples of working British families blighted by those who feel it is right to steal your home,"

    i feel there is more to the upstanding lawabiding taxpaying hardworking godfearing right and honourable family go on holiday and get overrun by dirty illegals story than is reported on those articles. as mentioned, it is a criminal offence to squat someone's sole residence, a change in the law wrt section 6 will not change either of your stories...
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      CommentAuthorglib
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2011
     
    Not all squatters are ex public school boys, eco warriers or couriers looking to save on cheap rent by occupying obviously empty properties.

    Nor does it matter whether they are smelly and illegal but the point remains, their house was overtaken in their absence and removal of these illegal occupiers is through civil court.

    They are not my stories but as reported in your english newspapers.
    • CommentAuthorsleepy
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2011
     
    "their house was overtaken in their absence and removal of these illegal occupiers is through civil court. "

    from your first article:

    “An officer informed eight people that they were in breach of law if they failed to leave when requested by the rightful occupier. All eight left. Inquiries are continuing.”

    jog on.
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      CommentAuthorEmilia
    • CommentTimeMar 26th 2011
     
    Another of the many sides to the story...

    Where I grew up, in Mid Wales, there are dozens of little abandoned cottages in amongst the hills - uninhabited either because no bugger wants to live there, or because it would cost too much to put in plumbing and build a road, or because of property disputes. There's one just across the valley from my parents' house, and I've been keeping an eye on it for the past 20 years or so - every year it deteriorates a bit more. The roof's falling down, there are trees growing in and out of it, and it's not safe (or even possible) to go upstairs any more. Give it another decade and it'll just be a pile of rubble. What's particularly poignant is that this house is very similar in age and layout to my parents' - a reminder of just how quickly things would fall apart if we let them.

    A couple of fields away there's another house, also very similar, that has been squatted for as long as I can remember. When I was growing up my mother referred to it as "the squatter cottage", and although I didn't know what squatters were back then, it was made very clear that this was something we disapproved of. But the cottage is still in one piece. People live there, and repair it when it breaks, and stop the roof from leaking, and grow things in the garden. It's alive. If the squatters weren't there, it would probably just crumble away into the hillside like the other one.

    And in the middle of writing this, I happened to have a conversation with someone who's squatted in London, and indignantly pointed out that they always took houses that hadn't been lived in for years, and put a lot of effort into fixing them and doing them up.

    Obviously there are many different kinds of squatters. I wish the media were capable of seeing things other than in black and white.
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      CommentAuthorglib
    • CommentTimeMar 27th 2011
     
    Im not disputing whether its a criminal offence to squat or not. But you said that famillies going on holiday and returning to find their property squatted was a myth.

    So their you have two examples of squatting where this is the case.

    Jog on?? are you 12 years old or something?