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      CommentAuthorcalderp
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2010
     
    Sorry, I'm sure this post pops up pretty often and you all get sick of it, but hoping I can get some info on working as a courier in London. And ya, I read the sticky first, but the latest post is months old...

    I'm from the US, was in Washington DC before this. Worked for a while doing bike delivery stuff there but couldn't work days so no proper courier work. Had lots of friends doing it though, so I have some understanding of the biz, I'm not just some kid with dreams of glory and a £2000 fixed gear his daddy paid for... Just arrived in London so I don't know a thing about what courier work here is like. Looking around the forum it sounds like a lot of the same shady-companies-stealing-your-money type bullshit. So, just a few questions if anyone's got the time:

    1. What's business like right now? Is it pretty slow, or still a reasonable amount of work available? Really hard to get hired right now? Technically a UK citizen so paperwise I'm all set to work. Also, what's a decent pay rate?

    2. I don't know London at all yet, so will have to learn the city. Am I going to have to know the whole damn thing? DC is pretty small so couriers would run pretty much the whole city. I'm assuming London is just too big for that, right? So what areas am I going to have to know? Just central London? If you can give me a general idea of where most companies run, would be great.

    3. Any recommended companies? Ya, I know, they're all shit, ect, ect but obviously you've got to work somewhere... Any I should avoid at all costs?

    Oh, and sort of unconnected bike question: Does london have any community bike shops /cooperatives?

    Thanks a lot.
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      CommentAuthorSideshow
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2010
     
    Speaking technically as an exenger (as of today):

    Firstly, welcome to London!

    1. By most accounts, not pretty. As ever, you'll be able to scrape by if you work hard for five days a week at a decent company.

    2. Spend a few days riding around with an A-Z. Even a loose idea of what's where will be handy in your first weeks as a courier. Your first company may well test your knowledge a little... so be prepared to demonstrate at least a rudimentary understanding of London.
    Where you work can vary from company. The bulk of the courier's city is essentially divided into two halves: the City and the West End. The City's (EC1-EC4, mainly) the financial district, so it's sort of more mundane but jobs tend to be clustered quite close, meaning you can get alot done very quickly. The West End (W1, mainly) is much more of a mixed bag, from creative/boho Soho, chic Mayfair, colourful Fitzrovia, through to the somewhat lifeless Marylebone. Sort of down the middle you have the touristy thoroughfare Covent Garden, and alot of work comes out of the legal chambers of the Temple and Gray's Inn.
    When I worked at City Sprint, a W14 job (way west) would be part and parcel (as it were), at my last company Reuter Brooks (Mach 1, whatever) the circuit was much more condensed, for better or worse.

    3. The biggest companies are City Sprint, Reuter Brooks/Mach 1 and Excel. Other ones worth checking out are Creative and Addison Lee, the former being quite a social circuit not devoid of decent work and the latter seemingly rife with cash jobs. I used to think you should start at a small company and work your way up but the industry seems to be at such a low point now that I'd recommend that, equipped with all necessary techniques of persuasion, you wangle your way into a bigger company from the get-go.

    Good luck : )
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      CommentAuthorjsh
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
     
    London is not that big. Bigger compared to DC but each and every street has a name and they are all crooked. No grid patterns like in DC/NY. No easy way round, many one way streets. You will need a map and start learning. And of-course bad traffic. Even on a bike traffic will slow you down, can you believe it.

    After doing it for four months expect to be properly washed out. I've taken a three month stint of a vacation and still not recovered fully.

    Pay needs to be a lot better in this line of work.
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      CommentAuthorZoidberg
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
     
    1. Slow in general but should pick up a bit as the summer ends. You can probably get hired but not get much actual work.

    2. Work out some good routes as the first thing probably. The work goes everywhere from e14 to w14. I found smaller companies had longer single dockets and larger ones had several shorter dockets in a more concentrated area.

    3. Any one that will hire you will be a good one to start. Just call all of them. Starting off at a smaller firm might be a good, they should all give you some sort of test for where certain landmarks are or what order to drop things or what roads but I doubt that would effect if they'd hire you too much.

    I think Brixton Bikes is a co op.
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      CommentAuthorSideshow
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2010
     
    Reiterating somewhat, I have to disagree with your number 3. Don't bother with small companies, the work's bad enough as it is. Just get in as near to the top as possible and work your way up.
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    Welcome to London, I've nothing to add to what Sideshow et al have said - good work!

    Get a loud bell - pedestrians dont respond to hooters, they laugh and still step out. . .bells have a good effect, as do the 20 quid bottle air horns off ebay. And loud obscene shouting does the job lol.
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    Decent pay-rate: in 2003, Ben Fincham surveyed London bicycle / cycle / courier / messengers, and included a question about pay. The survey returned an average daily rate of £65.

    http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/socsi/research/publications/workingpapers/paper-46.html

    At the end of 2008, I wrote the following:

    "It doesn’t look good for 2009, and the reality is that there will be a lot of people working for a lot less than the statutory minimum wage, which is £5.73/hour. Based on a 40 hour week, that is £230. That is the figure that a working London cycle courier should be able to earn, on average, after paying for equipment (bike, PDA, radio, clothing etc), but before tax has been deducted.

    If the last deep recession, that of the early 90s, is anything to go by, we can expect to see price wars amongst the courier companies, as they undercut each other’s rates to try and hold onto, and increase, their shares of a contracting market. Some of those rate cuts may not necessarily be passed on to the riders, but most will. That means you will be doing the same miles for less money. Because of the current legal relationship between most courier companies and their riders, there will be not be mass redundancies of riders, but there will be some riders that decide that they cannot afford to keep working, and will drift away. But most will not, and will probably be looking at tough times in the months ahead."

    http://www.movingtargetzine.com/article/2008-a-useless-review
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    "It doesn’t look good for 2009, and the reality is that there will be a lot of people working for a lot less than the statutory minimum wage, which is £5.73/hour. Based on a 40 hour week, that is £230. That is the figure that a working London cycle courier should be able to earn, on average, after paying for equipment (bike, PDA, radio, clothing etc), but before tax has been deducted.


    thats interesting reading "my son" funny how you an your mates were having a pop at me for advertising a part time job offering 15 squid an hour, oh yeah i forgot, your all too good for this kind of work, rather be poncing about down brick lane sipping lattes, smoking roll ups and whinging about how you lost you garra last week because you could'nt get out of bed on time.

    go on my son......................
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    Er, you haven’t been paying attention either, have you, my son?

    I did have a pop at you, but not for advertising – I personally had no problem with it, one way or another.

    I did have a problem with the following:

    “no offence, but old school couriers where made of tougher stuff,
    these days a lot of so called couriers are to busy trying to look good on thier $1000 fixie bike with no brakes/gears while sipping lattes from trendy fascist overpriced coffee shops”

    to which I said:

    “1. condescending crap.
    2. chippy
    3. spelling
    4. gratuitous & unwarranted use of the word ‘fascist’.”

    if you don’t remember

    and also for repeatedly referring to cheap imported labour.

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      CommentAuthorpornomike
    • CommentTimeOct 3rd 2010
     
    "$1000 fixie bike with no brakes/gears". No brakes I understand. No gears though? Hard work I would think to earn any "$" at all