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      CommentAuthorBabaji
    • CommentTimeAug 28th 2010
     
    What is the courier massive's opinion on dietary supplements ? creatine and the like, recent studies suggest creatine doesnt do to much for muscle endurance, l-glutamine seems to me like it might be a good insurance policy for hitting walls but their:tooth: again is it worth spending on the supplements when you can aquire most nutrients through diet, Milk/soya products both contain good amounts of essential amino acids.
    Does anyone have any killer nutes/foods or beverages that they swear by? Besides the ubiquitous caffeine and thc.
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    Don't bother with that shit, food is the only thing you need. Just eat a balanced diet, get plenty of sleep and plenty of sunlight, you should be fine.

    One thing though, Vitamin B12 might be useful even if you eat meat & dairy... apparently a lot of people are B12 deficient
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    An Harley Street osteopath reccommended that I take glucosamine sulphate every day, as it would, he said, reduce athritis & athritis related complaints. The scientific evidence doesn't appear to bear out this assertion.

    http://www.scottishsport.co.uk/running/glucosamine.htm#evidence

    I agree with DP. Unless you are a pro cyclist, you probably don't need to do anything more than eat properly, but you definitely want to make sure that you are getting some protein with every meal, and not just focusing on carbs. I think the correct amount is around 2gms / 1 kg body weight per day.

    It's interesting that this has come up here, as I was just reading the Ben Dacre vs Gillian McKeith (formerly known as Dr Gillian McKeith) farrago. I am sure that not all dieticians are quacks but he has this to say about the current 'nutrition' fad:

    "I rent a flat in London’s Kentish Town on my modest junior doctor’s salary (don’t believe what you read in the papers about doctors’ wages, either). This is a very poor working-class area, and the male life expectancy is about 70 years. Two miles away in Hampstead, meanwhile, where the millionaire Dr Gillian McKeith PhD owns a very large property, surrounded by other wealthy middle-class people, male life expectancy is almost 80 years. I know this because I have the Annual Public Health Report for Camden open on the table right now.

    This phenomenal disparity in life expectancy – the difference between a lengthy and rich retirement, and a very truncated one indeed – is not because the people in Hampstead are careful to eat a handful of Brazil nuts every day, to make sure they’re not deficient in selenium, as per nutritionists’ advice.

    And that’s the most sinister feature of the whole nutritionist project, graphically exemplified by McKeith: it’s a manifesto of rightwing individualism – you are what you eat, and people die young because they deserve it. They choose death, through ignorance and laziness, but you choose life, fresh fish, olive oil, and that’s why you’re healthy. You’re going to see 78. You deserve it. Not like them."

    http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/
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      CommentAuthorcooksta
    • CommentTimeAug 28th 2010
     
    Have been looking at this site for about 5 years and, although short, this is one of the best threads I've ever read on here.
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      CommentAuthorpudding
    • CommentTimeAug 28th 2010
     
    Well, I'd go with carb-loading for breakfast too. Porridge and pasta if you can force it down. I'm quite lazy though. It does seem to be the non-breakfast eaters who have a bonk and need to eat junk-sugar if they have a busy day. I mean fatigue-bonk, not that sort of bonk.
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      CommentAuthorglib
    • CommentTimeAug 29th 2010
     
    I tried glucosamine a few years back just because I thought it might help the wear n tear...but knees became felt sore. Doc reckoned it was water retention in cartridge of joints. Stopped taking it.
    Good diet, plenty of good food. no processed crap, home cooking. some protein, some carbs, fats, vegies. Red wine, beer, home made cakes. water.milk and lovely cheese, hmmm, plenty of the french stuff especially smelly Brie D'Mieux.
    I take a few vit supplements including B complex but not all the time.

    I have to attribute some creditability to the ginger scottish shite tester, that being what is dumped out of your rear can be a good indication to the digestion and how this landed matter changes when dietry input is compromised.
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    On the mornings when I was organised, I used to have a cup of hot water (or fennel tea if I had it) with lemon in it (good for the liver or kidneys - can't remember which - also good for getting the bowel moving), then a bowl of fresh fruit with yoghurt, and then either 6 slices of whole meal toast with peanut butter or a bowl of muesli. And two cups of coffee, and normally around 4 or 5 cigarettes. And then a massive steaming poo!
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    SIX slices? fucking hell. I thought I ate a lot.
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      CommentAuthorglib
    • CommentTimeAug 30th 2010
     
    I didnt know you smoked.
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      CommentAuthorglib
    • CommentTimeAug 30th 2010
     
    ha ha, i just read the link about mkeef. thats funny.
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      CommentAuthorcurly
    • CommentTimeAug 31st 2010
     
    this thread was good but i guess its just gone down the toilet
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      CommentAuthorcurly
    • CommentTimeAug 31st 2010 edited
     
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      CommentAuthorcurly
    • CommentTimeAug 31st 2010 edited
     
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    readybrek with protein powder, hemp seeds and soya/rice milk, coffee and a solgar VM75 multivitamin. That's my start to the day.
    • CommentAuthorJP
    • CommentTimeAug 31st 2010
     
    I have taken glucosamine sulphate daily for the past year and a bit... Was getting really bad knee pains (enough to take the day/3 days off) and gave it a go. I also used to have really bad neck pain. The knee pains have gone, the neck pain has decreased considerably and legs have full power on a friday. Ive found you have to take it regularly (every day) or the consistancy of your shit will oscillate and drive you crazy. After food, and 500mgs twice a day probably better than 1000mgs once a day. I dont think it agrees with everyone, but has certainly had a beneficial effect on my sorry ass.
    I also regularly take garlic supplements and occasional B-vit crap. (any of this only enhances a balanced diet so no point if your not eating the right shit)
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      CommentAuthorGertie
    • CommentTimeAug 31st 2010
     
    When I'm Generalissamo Ben Goldacre is going ro be my Minister for Health and censoring the Daily Mail.
    (and Richard Dawkins is going to be Minister for Religion.)
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      CommentAuthorglib
    • CommentTimeSep 1st 2010
     
    cortisone cream into the thighs, sudoephidrine + couple of strong coffees, asperin daily.
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    When Gertie is Generalissimo the streets will be patrolled by soldiers wearing tight-fitting rubber bondage gear and carrying whips.
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    Viva generalissomo!
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    I hope this answers your question babaji
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      CommentAuthorglib
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd 2010
     
    internal dildos?
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      CommentAuthorGertie
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2010
     
    Saddles with inbuilt sex-aids. Then see how much fun racing down Middle Temple Lane will be.
    • CommentAuthorRapattack
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2010
     
    christ, this is starting to sound like an old South Park episode
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    Oh god! who killed bread pedaler?
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    Chat 'bout?
    • CommentAuthorNIK
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2010
     
    there are only around 6 supplements that will aid in sports performance in any way shape or form:

    I can't be bothered to list them as most are inappropriate for any kind of endurnace sport other that extra carbs and caffeine ingestion (stick to the guidelines or you'll get yourself in a mess and make sure what your taking is just caffeine - for example pro plus is not jst caffeine).

    Creatine will never ever improve endurance ever. I dont care what anyone says about having taken it and it really works, chemically it just can't (as it effects a completely different energy system), also a third of people are non-responders and waste their money.

    The other one mentioned sounds like a load of shit to. The only reason supplements exist is because people want to make money off your fear. And they do make a lot of money
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    "The only reason supplements exist is because people want to make money off your fear. And they do make a lot of money"

    Amen to that!
    • CommentAuthorNIK
    • CommentTimeSep 12th 2010
     
    Also on a side note I failed to mention:

    15% of supplements off the shelf are contaminated enough to fail a doping test with (the latest valid figure claims). This is either due to failure of factory owners to clean the machinery after processing one product to the next or direct, unscroupulous deception as product owners claim to have a new formula for the next greatest supplement but are really adding testosterone (or one of its numerous/infinite derivatives)/ 'insert name of muscle building chemical here'.

    although i'm sure for most users of this forum this isn't an issue as in they don't compete at a level where doping tests are conducted for those that do, in any sport not just cycling, try to use supplements that are checked, for example those carry the informed sport logo, these have been analysed in a lab before ending up on the shelves.

    That said there is nothing to stop people having one batch for the analyists and one batch for the market, so watch yoursleves out there and make sure you know what your putting into your body.

    All the best

    Nik