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      CommentAuthorEmilia
    • CommentTimeMay 17th 2010
     
    http://www.salon.com/books/review/2001/04/10/culley

    "A suburban lad tells how he found guts, glory and a sustainable transit option in the renegade world of bike messengers."

    It was published about 10 years ago. Has anyone read it? Heard of it? Should I try and get hold of a copy?

    (Maybe there's a reason no one's ever mentioned it...)
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      CommentAuthor1+1/8
    • CommentTimeMay 17th 2010
     
    read the first half, got a bit bored,
    it's not badly written, he just tends to side track onto boring parts of his life (if you're a struggling artist, you may associate more than i did)
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      CommentAuthorzero cc
    • CommentTimeMay 17th 2010
     
    It's okay - I doubt any of us will write anything better - but a bit self-obsessed and buys too easily into the mythos. These are faults that could be aimed at many of us, and one of the reasons that I decided I wouldn't write the definitive courier book just yet... got to get some distance and perspective on it all.
    Don't go out of your way to find it.
    Previously discussed here: http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/854/can-you-do-this/#Item_9
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      CommentAuthorEmilia
    • CommentTimeMay 17th 2010
     
    Ah. I did do a search before posting - clearly not a very good one.

    Doesn't sound all that awesome then. I'll go back to Deux Seconds.
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    You should've been at Papillon's Alleycat, Arsen won a copy of it for DFL.

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      CommentAuthorcurly
    • CommentTimeMay 18th 2010
     
    zero you are a hero im looking forward to your book,count one copy sold
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      CommentAuthorzero cc
    • CommentTimeMay 19th 2010
     
    Thanks curly, that will be £399.99 in advance please. So far all I have is the title: Licking the Frog. You can have that for free.
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      CommentAuthorchandra
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2010 edited
     
    Hey Emilia
    It was more or less readable and I finished it. He did however come across as a massive dick, pretty self grandiose.
    Sunk to the depths of being a courier, he becomes the best one there is ever, finds himself and then beats the system by becoming something better than a courier etc..
    Also there was a the truly memorable line were he tells us couriers can see in to the future ''We like totally predict the traffic man'' or some such nonesense.
    I think a child can predict the next logical step of any given sequence, oh look there's a car it might hit me.
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      CommentAuthorEmilia
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2010
     
    I've heard the 'seeing into the future line' all over the place. Probably even used it myself. I doubt he invented it.

    If I ever wrote a book about couriers, it would be about what losers they are. No one will be expecting that.
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      CommentAuthorBuffalo Bill
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2010 edited
     
    The author made himself less than popular within the US messenger scene, and particularly in Chicago.

    http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/shoot-the-messenger/Content?oid=904974

    I never met the guy, but some of my friends were less than impressed by his behaviour, in particular Rebecca Reilly.

    http://www.movingtargetzine.com/article/messenger-heroes-number-3-rebecca-lambchop-reilly

    I did read the book, and I have to say that some of the writing was very good indeed, but a lot of it was tripe. I also found the fact that he devoted an entire chapter to him winning an alleycat pretty... err ... well, it's not something I would do.
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      CommentAuthorEmilia
    • CommentTimeMay 21st 2010
     
    Hmmmm, well, forget that.

    But does anyone have a copy of Nerves Of Steel I could borrow?
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    If anyone is interested: http://www.jstor.org/pss/4540926
    • CommentAuthorsleepy
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2011 edited
     
    just read emily's article on the book and though i tried to post on the feedback form there it's a PITA PoS to discuss stuff on there, discussion flows faster here and this thread is kinda perfect anyway...

    the following is directed at emily in relation to the Rebel Without Applause article-

    in my opinion a memoir differs from a journalistic piece in that a memoir is written to portray it's writer (in their own words, often a recipe for braggadocio), not necessarily the context or culture they are in/from. you mention it started life as an anthology- is it possible he was told to sex up the piece to make it more sellable? i must admit not having read the book but the excerpts and opinion i've read make it sound like a kind of lifestyle porn and should probably be taken as such. he does sound like an arrogant dickhead but in what way should he have serviced "the circuit’s women, parents, old-timers, professionals, mountain bikers"? i might add that many of the people i know in those categories can easily fall into the label of "aspiring artist or musician"- what of them? should they feel disserviced by being omitted from both memoir and the rebuttal?

    all the same great piece emily- always like to read your views even if they don't always match with my own :smile:
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    I think you really need to have read it before you can express a fully formed opinion on it, really, Sleeps!

    You are totally right in your assumption that he was asked to turn it from an anthology to a personal memoir by the publisher. It's interesting that you say that a memoir is different from journalism. I have just read 2 excellent memoirs, both by journalists, one called "Liar's Poker" & the other "A View from the Foothills". Neither memoir is about their journalistic careers, and both are subjective, but both are very well-written, and, crucially, have a story to tell that is interesting.

    I think the problem with Travis' book is that his journey within the messenger scene simply wasn't long enough to sustain a book. He padded it out with some other stuff about community, but from memory these parts were the least interesting parts of the book. If one was malicious, one would say that the book was as lacking in substance as some of the autobiogs of young sportspeople.

    These autobiogs aren't substantial because the people that have written haven't really done very much that is worth writing about. I would suggest that this is what the problem with Travis' book is.
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    But I do agree that Emily's piece is good - much better than the book, in fact!
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      CommentAuthorEmilia
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2011
     
    @ Sleepy - yes, apparently he was told to 'sex up' the piece to make it more sellable. But John Greenfield, one of the original contributors to the anthology, also complains that Culley tried to convince him to make his story "more heroic and dramatic", and that he clung to a "notion that all messengers enter the business because they have absolutely no other options". It looks like Culley had an idealized bike messenger hero he wanted to portray, and wasn't prepared to let a little thing like reality get in his way.

    In a way it's just another branch of the fakenger phenomenon.

    Also, Culley states very clearly in this interview (http://www.randomhouse.com/boldtype/0401/culley/interview.html):

    "Still, and I hope that this is conveyed in the book, there are other stories out there, hundreds if not thousands that would really affect a reader and challenge their views on urbanity, equality, industry, class, race, etc. My story is one of many."

    I think he completely fails to convey this in the book, so perhaps he's just a bad writer who couldn't get his message across. He wanted to write a sensitive, multi-facetted account of the messenger community - instead he produced one long bombastic fanfare to his own ego.

    Before I even heard about the Immortal Class I was telling people that an anthology would be the only account of the courier community that could possibly be fair and accurate. There are too many perspectives for one writer to capture it all. And if it wouldn't sell - well then, maybe we shouldn't be trying to put ourselves up for sale.
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      CommentAuthorEmilia
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2011
     
    (I'm sure 'Emily Chappell' will be along in a minute to give us her views.)
    • CommentAuthorselimski
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2011
     
    @Emily- Have you managed to get a copy of 'Nerves Of Steel'?
    If not, could lend you mine.
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    I agree with Emily/ia, "There are too many perspectives for one writer to capture it all" - messengering/couriering does not discriminate in my opinion. Culley's TIC does not reflect the community, I wouldn't be surprised if that new film with whatshisname was based on this book....
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      CommentAuthorEmilia
    • CommentTimeFeb 10th 2011
     
    @Selim - Jontyponty has promised many times he'll lend me his. But if I can manage to get hold of yours before that, then I'd very happily take you up on your offer!
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      CommentAuthorglib
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2011
     
    I havent bothered to read this book or look at the reviews but I reckon its probably a bit shit. I did read an intersting article about buying a suit whilst on holiday in thailand and they showed a picture of a man standing next to a sewing machine.
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      CommentAuthorpornomike
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2011
     
    Anybody ever thought about writing a book about, let's think. The people that clean the public toilets we use or the litter we leave behind. Often working night shifts. Who clears that up? Mainly migrant workers with few other options and they get paid a pittance to get your shit out of sight. Immortal class. My ass.
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    @ Mike

    Hard Work: Life in Low-pay Britain by Polly Toynbee

    "'A passionately reasoned and compelling account of the avoidable cruelties still embedded in the underside of British life - by a writer who has literally worn the clothes, lived in the flats and done the jobs of the poor. Every member of the cabinet should be required to read it, apologise and then act'. - Will Hutton. A frank and breathtaking book, this is journalist and broadcaster Polly Toynbee's account of her courageous intention to live and work on the minimum wage. The 'decent living' wage set by the Council of Europe is set at GBP7.39. The minimum wage in Britain is currently GBP4.10 per hour. And often, people are working for less, their voices unheard, their faces unnoticed. The low-paid are caught in an economic double bind that victimises them and shames the rest of us. Toynbee took whatever jobs she could find, often offered for less than the official minimum wage.Living on an estate in Clapham, she started from scratch and found that if she were truly unemployed, she would not even be able to afford a new job, and that faced with starvation, it's impossible not to sink into debt. In this powerful and compelling book, Polly Toynbee journeys to the inside of Britain today and uncovers that world which is invisible to most. This is a damning portrait of social justice in Britain."
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      CommentAuthorpornomike
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2011
     
    Thanks Bill. Think I'll read that instead.
    • CommentAuthorjontyponty
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2011
     
    @Emilia - Hah, yes I have, sorry. I'll be in London next week so can get it to you then.
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      CommentAuthorEmilia
    • CommentTimeFeb 12th 2011
     
    No worries. Though that was a totally intentional guilt trip. :P
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      CommentAuthorwinston
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2011
     
    are they gonna reprint "Nerves of Steel?" TV over here is shit and I've run out of books already.
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      CommentAuthoroverdrive
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2011
     
    http://www.begaservices.com/stuffforsale/
    A snip at 50 bucks plus shipping!
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      CommentAuthorspaceman
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2011
     
    how do they write a fucking book about this shit.

    "carry shit on a bike get paid badly and it's dangerous"

    200 blank pages.
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      CommentAuthorcurly
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2011
     
    ha ha
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      CommentAuthorcurly
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2011
     
    Sickfit please dont forget the friends you make
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      CommentAuthorglib
    • CommentTimeFeb 20th 2011 edited
     
    have some 'Balls Of Steel' instead.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATIwmpAZsj8