My stomach is fucked, I cant even eat stuff without that orrible twisted knotted feeling (like indigestion but worse), if you could get intravenous nutrient drips I would have one 24/7 and quit eating. Fuck cycling for a living, all it does is fuck your body up, by making you eat more food than your stomach can handle, and reducing your immune system, and damaging your knees and perineum and back and wrists,, and by making you crash.
Besides, I think that's a total misuse of the term "creampie" which originally meant an ejaculating into a vagina, giving us the pie part of the term. Anyway back to the original post, a little grass after dinner might help with jumblly tummy thing until you get whole balanced diet thing sorted.
oh but about the gut ting, nuts and fruit not to much sugar fuck bread and that shite off and meat apart from fish thats great protein but quite lite on the guts apart from that you might just have get used to it im afraid im in fucking agony at the moment my back is monstered arrrrggghh
horses eat about every couple of hours, not that you are a horse but the loading of the digestion in large amounts cant be good especially when all your energy is directed at propelling you on a bike. Don't mix the carbs and protein. A race horse or a working horse needs to balance the process of digestion with working, pulling loads, running fast.
Plain is best, no heavy flavours, steam the vegies. Good red wine instead of beer. White meat like chicken breasts and fish. Sushi and white rice.
Asperin to help thin the blood and plenty of water.
Maybe chuck some vit c, b vits and some iron for the blood. Overdose the vit C and this will help absorb the iron into the body.
Good sleep patterns and plenty of sex. Go to Thailand and have a go on a good ladyboy, that'll sort you right out.
DONT take vitamins/mineral supplements unless you are certain that you are defficient, like everything in large amounts they are toxic and chronic high levels can have very serious consequences!!!
chances are you will be getting all that you need from any kind of balanced diet. If you think you are defficient then get some blood tests done, but apart from that dont take supplements.
you will only become defficient in iron if you are malnourished, especially as the body recycles its iron pool.
at NIk, being slightly defficient as a working courier is going to be a possibility.
A working courier will put their body through plenty of stress. Muscles need repairing, bones need strengthening, its all taking its toll.
A few vitemins here and there are hardly that bad for your body. I spent many a weekend hoovering various powders up my nose over several years. I'm alright. I might die at some point but that will be inevitable.
As I was reading this thread I was thinking,"There just isn't enough on MT about diet,healthy food and nutrition." Really though,try a search there's hardly anything!
I wasn't going to bother correcting your poor scinece, but I guess I will now.
'Dont mix carbs with protein': If, as your're suggesting, you will be eating small amounts often, then actually mixing carb with protein is an excellent idea, Ivy et al (2002) showed that after 2.5 hrs of intense cycling (in order to reduce muscle glycogen stores) CHO + Protein of 1.1g/kg/BW (CHO) mixed with 0.4g/kg/BW (protein) helped restore muscle glycogen concentraion better than just a low CHO (1.1g/kg/BW) or high CHO (1.5g/kg/BW). Ingestion was immediately after and again 2 Hrs after exercise. The mechanism by which this operates is that the protein, stimulates an increased insulin response (Van Loon et al 2002) thus promoting the uptake of blood glucose into muscle cells.
When talking about vitamins/minerals + trace elements it is important to get quantities in perspective. Vitamins are required in mg/day and in fact high doses of vitamin C can cause an irratible bowel or diarrhoea. Minerals are required in less than 100 mg/day and trace elemnts are recquired in less than 20mg/day. Not to mention that the lipid based vitamins are stored anyway and there are enough water based ones in the body (from a balanced diet) to last 30-40 days.
'A few vitamins here and there': well if your only taking a few here and there, their effect will be negligable.
On a final note: Mcardle, Katch and Katch (2009) 'over 50 years of research has failed to support the use of vitamin supplements to improve aerobic and anaerobic exercise performance or ability to train aruously in nutriotionally adequate, healthy people.'
BW= body weight
References: Mcardle, Katch and Katch; 2009; Sports and Exercise Nutrition; Chapters 2 and 7 Ivy et al; 2002; Journal of Applied Physiology: 93(4): 1337-1344 Van Loon et al; 2002; Journal of Nutrition: 130(10): 2508-2513
If you are going to come back bring some peer reviewed articles with you
@Nik, Are you the Nik that I meet one day on the corner of farringdon road and st bride if you are you are cool as fuck one of the only couriers to sit down and have a chat with me, i know everyones busy but it was nice......oh you may not be the same one anyway back to nutrition, whopper burgers, fosters lager and a gram of pcp every morning always gives me the old get up and go then shootin a murchant banker around 2 gives me the extra shit i need to finish the day, give that ago.....works for me
@ Jezza76, I'd doubt it unless it was two years ago, I'm now in Nottingham, but I come back to London every now and again
@ thirtythree I should probably add that its not a personal attack, more an attack on 'locker room science' there's a lot of miss information about and everyone and their dog is an expert. I will be the first to admit that I spouted a lot of bullshit that I picked up from various sources (coaches, the internet, friends) which now I've found out not to be true. For example there is a common mis-conseption that lactate causes fatigue, but that theory is about 80yrs out of date and has been systematically proved not to be the case (since at least the 1980's), but for some reason it is still taught in schools as well as concepts such as Onset of Blood Lactate Accumulation.
So unless the info comes from a reputable source, i'd treat it with a degree of suspiction.
I should have been a bit more specific with my reply to his post. Mixing carbs with protein: I was talking about when he got home and was doing the dinner. Based on my own previous experiences as someone who use to ride about 4 -500+ miles a week, I found that splitting my meal in the evening helped with my digestion. I suppose a typical meal after a hard days graft or training would be, A chicken and some pasta with desert, some wine or beer. Maybe a bit of fruit, deffo water and bread.
I would eat the chicken first then have the pasta later then have the desert maybe later still and snack, if the food was there in the cupboard.
And as for the vitemins, maybe there is a warehouse full of stuff written against them, but you have to question the size of the market that they serve. If indeed they are placebo, why are they still sold and selling in the amount that they do? Im sure we could have google referenced debates about that and with no clear winners.
I like to take the vits, I feel they are working for me and will continue to use them regardless. They say bad things about cocaine but it makes me feel good and I dont think I'll stop using because its not good for you, or useless.
And the reference to eating small amounts often, well thats bloody obvious, innit?
Have you ridden around all day,everday, doing upwards of a 100 miles with a full belly? The general concensus on this one is eat little and often because its not practical, as courier to be riding around with a full belly. I never could.
You dont need to quote Van Loon, .
Long rides over an hour or two. Ham and Jam sarnies, cheese and jam croissants, sausage rolls. Obviously.
Next you'll be telling me about the benefits of water.
the reason why lactate was thought to be detrimental to performance was because the studies done on muscle fibres in the early days weren't conducted at physiological temperatures. when they were they found there to be no effect. Yes lactate is produced during exercise (also at rest), and is associated with fatigue, but it is not a cause. There is something caused the lactate shuttle, which bascially causes lactate to be shifted from one cell to another where it is metabolised to produce ATP. It is now also thought that increased levels of lactate help to defend against increased levels of Potassium ions (K+) and the detrimental effects of them. Lactate is also associated with increased levels of Hydrogen ions (H+), which are also associated with fatigue (by causing a drop in pH, thus creating an acidic environment which decreases the power output of muscle), this is because in order to get H+ outside the muscle cell it can only move across the membrane via monocarboxylate transporter (MCT). these transporters only work in the presence of both lactate and H+, so both are transported out of the cell at the same time.
Other evidence that lactate cannot cause fatigue comes from people that suffer from McArdles syndrome, their bodies cant produce lactate, but yet their tire more quickly than people that do.
However, there are new theories, one of which is the Central Governor Model, which proposes that ALL exercise is determined by the brain. within the first few seconds/minutes, the brain performs complex algorithms taking into account, duration & intensity of exercise, fuel reserves and stuff like that, in order to select a power output that will allow the exercise to completed without threatening homeostasis. the metabolites produced during exercise then act as a feedback mechanism to allow for any adjustment in power output. All that means is the pain you feel is your brain telling you that if you keep working at your current intensity, your body cannot cope and you will cause some serious damage.
The advantage of this model is it treats the body a complete system, rather than just looking for one mechanism of fatigue there maybe several factors present that all together at that specific moment in time mean that exercise cannot be tolerated at the current intensity. Rather than just a blanket you will stop exercise when blood lactate concentration is 7mmol.L etc
if you're interested a more thorough explanation + full references of all mechanisms involved, all theories and problems that exist etc can be provided. I can also send a selection of journal articles over the interweb if you whisper an email address
@NIK that's top article nik & i can truly relate to that, first thing in the morning when i jump on the bike, within a few minutes i can tell whether it's gonna be a slog & i'm bollocksed or i'm gonna be a legend.
I bonked today, partly because of severely low appetite caused by moderate discomfort in the stomach (I made a garlic focaccia yesterday and ate nearly all of it, bad idea). I didn't even feel it coming, I just suddenly went weak and felt like collapsing. Had to eat three king size chocolate bars, a packet of crisps and a tin of Nurishment® before I felt OK again. Fuck! I dunno if me stomach is becoming inadequate at digesting bread, or if the 12 whole roasted garlic cloves contained within the bread was responsible... does excessive garlic consumption mashup your stomach?