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Cycling too dangerous for Manchester police
25.09.07 by Buffalo Bill

Greater Manchester police have suspended bicycle patrols by officers with less than a year’s experience of cycling after the death of a community policeman. The officer, Christopher Maclure, died after a collision with a lorry. I hope that all my readers will join me in extending our sympathies to the family and friends of the dead officer. The story is here. Thanks to Slim Shakey for the spot.

Interesting to note that the collision that led to the officer’s death has been referred to the Health and Safety Executive. The HSE’s ‘mission is to protect people’s health and safety by ensuring risks in the changing workplace are properly controlled’. As far as I know, none of the incidents that led to the deaths of the seven London bicycle messengers known to have died whilst working have ever been referred to the HSE. This despite the fact that they were all killed by collisions by commercial vehicles driven by working drivers.

  1. Speak to your union then…. I’d imagine that the majority of police officers are in a good union.


    Jon    25 September 2007, 10:02    #
  2. Anyone can report incidents to the HSE online here


    jack    25 September 2007, 13:35    #
  3. In fact, there is a legal obligation for employers to report workplace deaths and injuries to the HSE. So if those seven deaths – assuming they happened while the messenger was working – should have been reported by law. If they were not, then the companies in question were in breach of their legal obligations.

    What is RIDDOR?

    The Reporting of Injuries, Diseases and Dangerous Occurrences Regulations 1995 (RIDDOR), place a legal duty on:

    * employers; * self-employed people; * people in control of premises;

    to report work-related deaths, major injuries or over-three-day injuries, work related diseases, and dangerous occurrences (near miss accidents). The easiest way to do this is by calling the Incident Contact Centre (ICC) on 0845 300 99 23 (local rate). You will be sent a copy of the information recorded and you will be able to correct any errors or omissions.
    Why should I report?

    Reporting accidents and ill health at work is a legal requirement. The information enables the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) and local authorities, to identify where and how risks arise, and to investigate serious accidents. We can then help you and provide advice on how to reduce injury, and ill health in your workplace.

    For most businesses, a reportable accident, dangerous occurrence, or case of disease is a comparatively rare event. However, if it does happen, please let us know.


    jack    25 September 2007, 13:46    #
  4. christ.
    as much as i honestly HATE to ever see a report of a cyclist getting hit, let alone killed, i have to wonder what sort of impact this will have on the ongoing HGV problem you guys are facing.
    does anyone honestly believe that this accident will get the same treatment as all the others? or can we expect the driver of this lorry to be reamed, bended, folded and mutilated by the same system that marginalizes at best and ignores at worst other accidents that are almost identical? while i have no sympathy for the driver, you can almost feel sorry for them for the immense pile of steaming feces you can now see falling from a great towards them.


    — lupine128    25 September 2007, 13:55    #
  5. Ah, Jack, but couriers aren’t employees are they? They are self-employed sub-contractors, aren’t they?

    Seriously, I totally agree with you.


    — Bill    25 September 2007, 15:45    #
  6. This is a grey area Bill, and one that the term sub contractor nicely makes grey-er-er.

    I work as a self employed musician now and If i died whilst doing what I do someone would go to the HSE.

    This is going to sound crass and harsh, but did seb have something on board when he was killed?

    If so The destruction of that package would have been noted, filed and logged and all the rest of it…so why didn’t his firm go to the HSE? will we ever know?


    — nomoreknees    25 September 2007, 18:03    #
  7. As nomoreknees points out, the Regulations apply to self employed people just as much as to employees.

    Clearly if you’re dead it’s hard to make a report to the HSE from beyond the grave, but I think anyone who gets injured can/should do it and for fatal collisions, I am sure a report can be made on behalf of the victim, either by the employer (the messenger company) or by an association, guild or union representing the messenger.

    I imagine there might be a lot of bureaucracy involved and this is what puts people off. But how about the LBMA trying to get a grant off Road Peace or one of the other road safety campaigns to pay someone to file reports on behalf of messengers affected?


    jack    25 September 2007, 20:07    #
  8. I can’t answer for the LBMA. I do know that the HSE have always said that death and injury resulting from collisions from road collisions are beyond their remit because they don’t have the resources.

    I was told in one meeting that the HSE estimated that they would need 10 times the resources that they currently possess to ‘police’ this are.


    — Bill    25 September 2007, 22:04    #
  9. I don’t know whether Seb actually had a package on when he was killed. But he was def working.


    — Bill    25 September 2007, 22:05    #
  10. all the HSE would do would be to introduce training to operatives on bikes to reduce their risk of injury/death… just like what the plod have done.


    — calvin    26 September 2007, 14:02    #
  11. just found this on bikeradar

    www.bikeradar.com/ne…

    another twist to the story


    — the real slim shakey    27 September 2007, 14:43    #
  12. lets see now,if you all hate wagon drivers stand up in your gay lycra and clap your hands ,for all we know blunketts bobby might have caused the accident,cyclists aint all intelligent,neither are they all in a higher socio-economic class,you do my head in you are not understanding’ the law of averages dictates there has to be a bodycount get it now,its not personal its life


    — phil rigby    28 September 2007, 20:04    #
  13. ^ heh. Mate you could try here for trolling

    www.safespeed.org.uk…

    if you’re not here

    www.dailymail.co.uk/

    I’m off to buy a Guardian in Stoke Newington to read with my moccachino frappe skinny an ting.


    — _targetbot    29 September 2007, 09:42    #
  14. thats great. i’m just popping down to the high street myself to get a fuse for my pomegrante juicer do you want to meet, innit?


    — footlong    29 September 2007, 11:57    #
  15. Enough baiting of the ignorant.

    Back to the HSE: Simon L3 on ACF forum says here that

    I’ve been through this with the HSE. It was hopeless. The individual accepted the logic of the case for bringing off-site construction traffic within their remit – but he gave out no hope at all that they would get involved.


    — Bill    30 September 2007, 21:56    #
  16. how does a cyclist stand coming ssfrom school riding on pavement knocded off by car driver who was half parked on pavement does,nt check how they and drives off injurys needing hospital treatmeant


    — mac    5 November 2009, 13:43    #
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